How to fix your Liteon LDW-411s problems

Post by **ccb056** » January 26th, 2004, 12:09 am

This is a guide to help you fix your Liteon LDW-411s problems.

First of all, make sure your LDW-411s is plugged into an 80pin IDE cable, not a 40pin IDE cable. Onle way to tell the difference is the 80 pin has more/thinner wires than a 40 pin.

Second, make sure the LDW-411s isnt plugged into a PDI IDE controller, but rather the motherboard controller.

Third, make sure the LDW-411s is set as Master of the Secondary channel. Beware, the LDW-411s comes from the factory with a default of Slave, not Master. To change this, move the jumper on the back of the drive

Master is on the end of the IDE Channel and Slave is in the middle

Fourth, goto adaptec's site <a href="http://www.adaptec.com">www.adaptec.com</a> and download the latest ASPI drivers for you windows operating sytem if they cause problems, downlo .60.

Fifth, goto Liteon's website <a href="http://www.liteonit.com">www.liteonit.com</a> and update to the latest firmware

Sixth, use quality media, either Rioch, Ritek, or world renound Taiyo Yuden

Always make sure you have DMA enabled and not using PIO.

If you are using your LDW-411s to make backup copies of you DVD movies, make sure you burn media that is compatable with your stand alone unit

Make sure you are using the latest version of your IDE Chipset drivers, Nvidia's NForce2 chipset drivers have been known to cause problems in the past. NOTE: If you are running the NForce 2 chipset, it is recommended that you remove the NVidia IDE drivers and run the Microsoft ones

UPDATE: Nero is reported to have problems burning DVDs with the Liteon LDW-411s, It is recomended that you burn the DVD's with another program

Finally, if you have any problems or if you found this useful, please take a minute to <a href="http://www.computerbb.org/profile.php?mode=register">Register</a>

rickg · Post by **rickg** » February 3rd, 2004, 12:33 pm

Did you mean PCI IDE controller?
I have a Maxtor Ultra ATA IDE PCI controller that does not seem
to verify burns correctly when used with other DVD burners.
(I gave up on it and have not tried this model on it...)

Rick

Post by **ccb056** » February 3rd, 2004, 9:59 pm

that is correct, you should not use a pci ide controller, use the motherboard's ide controller

coaxial · Post by **coaxial** » February 5th, 2004, 9:00 pm

awesome, I'm all fixed up. Thanks

.

coaxial

thracx · Post by **thracx** » February 6th, 2004, 7:01 am

May I ask why you suggest some of those things? For example, why second channel master?

I am having a very large probem - I have the LDW-411S drive, and updated the firmware to revision FS0F without error. However, I cannot upgrade to either FS0H or FS0J, as it tells me that the update is only for the LDW-411S drive and I don't have a matching drive - BUT I DO!!!

I would appreciate any info/help that may help me resolve this situation, as I have 100 blank DVDs that current do not work in my drive and am hoping the newer revisions would help..

thracx · Post by **thracx** » February 6th, 2004, 7:08 am

As an update, here is some important info:

The FS0F update finds me drive at 0-1-1-0, but the FS0H+ finds it at 1-0-1-0!!! I have a feeling that the problem is somehow related to this.

I am running WinXP-Pro-SP1, ASPI 4.60

Primary: 120gb hdd, n/a
Secondary: 120gb hdd, LDW-411S

(Moving drive to secondary single didn't help)

Post by **ccb056** » February 6th, 2004, 11:56 am

try to patch your firmware with this: <a href="http://files.short-circuit.zapto.org/flashfix1002.zip">FLASH FIX</a> and then flash the drive with the modified firmware

FLASH FIX allows any firmware to be written to any Liteon Drive

thracx · Post by **thracx** » February 6th, 2004, 4:03 pm

ccb056 wrote:try to patch your firmware with this: <a href="http://files.short-circuit.zapto.org/flashfix1002.zip">FLASH FIX</a> and then flash the drive with the modified firmware

FLASH FIX allows any firmware to be written to any Liteon Drive

Thanks a bunch for that utility, it may prove very useful.... however, it does not help me at all now..

I can patch the firmware versions easily, but apparently the problem still exists - the updater program (post FS0F) seems to be unable to detect my drives correctly!! It reports my drive found at 1-0-1-0 but it is "Unable to update my firmware" - most likely because the FS0F flasher reported my drive at 0-1-1-0 (and it can still flash fine, with or without the FlashFix utility, since my revision is still FS0F on the drive)

thracx · Post by **thracx** » February 6th, 2004, 4:05 pm

Why does the newer utilities detect my drives wrong?

Even EAC says, "Adapter 0, ID 1", which I assume is correct since FS0F said the same (0-1-1-0).

AHHHHHH

Post by **ccb056** » February 6th, 2004, 11:02 pm

try taking the drive out, boot into safe mode (press f5 on bootup I think) and remove any reference of it from device manager. Turn computer off, plug in the burner, and boot into normal, it should detect the device properly.

Post by **ccb056** » February 6th, 2004, 11:40 pm

Just thought of an idea, I'll make a .bin file of the firmware and give you LTNFLASH so you can flash it that way, what do you have, a 411s or a 811s? BTW, is your drive overclocked, or do you plan on overclocking it?

Post by **ccb056** » February 7th, 2004, 12:11 am

here is <a href="http://files.short-circuit.zapto.org/LTNFLASH.zip">LTNFLASH</a>

here is the <a href="http://files.short-circuit.zapto.org/FS0G.zip">Liteon LDW-411s FS0G .bin firmware</a>

thracx · Post by **thracx** » February 7th, 2004, 6:23 pm

ccb056 wrote:Just thought of an idea, I'll make a .bin file of the firmware and give you LTNFLASH so you can flash it that way, what do you have, a 411s or a 811s? BTW, is your drive overclocked, or do you plan on overclocking it?

I have a LDW-411S. My current priority is to figure out why I can't update the firmware with anything post FS0F (although I have LTNFLASH, and it appears like it will work), once/if I can get the firmware updated using the official methods, I may 'overclock' - I am still debating this, although considering my CPU & GPU are overclocked, I think you can guess what my decision will be eventually *smile*.

I will post any updates as they occur.

Post by **ccb056** » February 7th, 2004, 6:25 pm

ccb056 wrote:try taking the drive out, boot into safe mode (press f5 on bootup I think) and remove any reference of it from device manager. Turn computer off, plug in the burner, and boot into normal, it should detect the device properly.

thracx · Post by **thracx** » February 7th, 2004, 6:30 pm

ccb056 wrote:
ccb056 wrote:try taking the drive out, boot into safe mode (press f5 on bootup I think) and remove any reference of it from device manager. Turn computer off, plug in the burner, and boot into normal, it should detect the device properly.

I was trying that.

Just did - no luck, but i couldn't find any references to the drive, so I'm trying again.

thracx · Post by **thracx** » February 7th, 2004, 6:45 pm

Still no luck, good idea though.

I am still baffled by why the official FS0F updater detected the drive properly (at 0-1-0-0), while the others sense a drive at 1-0-0-0 and when I mod them to allow me to flash any lite-on drive, I can select the 1-0-0-0 (has NO name) but it can't update the firmware.

I am out of time for today, but hopefully on Sunday I will have plenty of time to fool with this thing.

About the overclock ability, I only have 4x media right now (although I can return them within the next 10 days), so even though I may want to overclock, I don't see any benefit (unless I wanted to spring for the 8x media).

Post (or IM) me any more suggests you have. I may just have to stick with upgrading with LTNFlash - except that I will need the firmwares in .bin (I only have FS0F and FS0G in .bin), which would stink since I won't be able to make the .bin's myself. *sob*

thracx · Post by **thracx** » February 8th, 2004, 11:58 pm

I found the newest firmware in .bin (FS0J), and I'm going to go ahead and update my drive using LTNFlash v1.24 to see if it helps me, since I can't figure out any solution to my problem with the official flasher.

I am curious as to what the "Update Bood Code" option in LTNFlash v1.24 means. When is it applicable, and what does it do/mean?

Post by **ccb056** » February 9th, 2004, 12:47 am

I'm not really sure

thracx · Post by **thracx** » February 9th, 2004, 1:32 am

I found what "Update Boot Code" is basically about - I think it's a completely separate thing from the other utilities, that updates the boot code (on drive or in bios? I have no clue where this is) so that some BIOSes will detect the drive properly. In other words, most people shouldn't have to bother even looking at this option. If you have issues with the drive and your BIOS, then search Google.

I have some good news and some bad news. The good news far outweighs the bad, so the bad news is going to come first.

Bad: I updated my LDW-411S drive to FS0J firmware revision using LTDFlash v2.24 - It 'worked', I suppose, since now the drive reports to being FS0J revision. However, when I try to use LTDFlash to 'Compare' the .bin file that I used to flash my drive with my drives current firmware, it tells me that "Offset 0x05B9 is different...". This seems bad, because it implies that LTDFlash did not update the firmware properly, or, there is a bug with the program's Compare feature.

Good: The above can be ignored, mainly due to the fact that my drive can now successfully burn DVDs using the MediaPro 4x blank DVD-Rs that I bought (100-pack). I burned a full DVD using Nero and it's verification completed successfully. Now I can start to clean out my full hard disk drives. So I'm happy.

Thanks for the info ccb056!

Post by **ccb056** » February 9th, 2004, 2:15 am

hey, no problem, glad I could help

Smartweb · Post by **Smartweb** » February 9th, 2004, 2:36 am

And also, all you people who have gotten help with your Lite-on drives, you can pay us back for you help by being an active member in other sections of our forums too. If you really want to do us a favor, get us a few more members. Help spread the word.

mlanglais · Post by **mlanglais** » February 11th, 2004, 5:30 pm

Hi,

I have a LDW-451S that is being used for backup. I am using Stomp BackupMyPC and am burining to DVD+RW 4x media (Memorex & Ritek).

If my backup spans more than 1 DVD, the verify fails (99$ of the time) always at the very end of the DVD.

I have followed all the suggestions you posted, but still have the same results.

I originally had a LDW-411S drive and it had the exact same problem. I returned it as defective and received a LDW-451S as a replacement.

Any thooughts?

rml

Post by **ccb056** » February 11th, 2004, 10:04 pm

use a different program to do the backups

what os do you have?

mlanglais · Post by **mlanglais** » February 12th, 2004, 2:24 pm

ccb056 wrote:use a different program to do the backups

what os do you have?

I am using Windows 2000 Pro.
I am considering using PowerQuest Drive Image 7 for backup. Any thoughts?

Post by **ccb056** » February 12th, 2004, 9:01 pm

I've never used a "Drive Backup" program, but are you trying to backup the entire drive or just certain folders, if youre trying to backup just certain files, I suggest you try Nero.

chefelf · Post by **chefelf** » March 11th, 2004, 1:32 am

Hey, great post. My ASPI drivers were from 1997!

Just a note: the links in the first post are broken (they're missing the 'http://'). Just thought I'd let you know.

I've tried everything in this post (using a Lite-On LDW-811S) except the DMA thing and I'm still having problems. I just have this question about the DMA thing. I have several options in the device manager regarding DMA. I'm not sure which to choose. Here the are:

BIOS Default
Ultra DMA 2 - Ultra33
Ultra DMA 1 - Ultra25
Ultra DMA 0 - Ultra16
Multi-word DMA2
Multi-word DMA1
Multi-word DMA0
PIO Mode

Right now they're set to Ultra DMA 2 - Ultra33. I just wanted to check if that is the right setting to select. I'm using the NForce2 drivers and I have installed the latest drivers as of today (v3.13).

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Post by **ccb056** » March 11th, 2004, 6:02 pm

that is the correct dma setting

try using different drivers, or try it on a different motherboard

the nforce2's have been known to have problems with the liteon dvd burners

chefelf · Post by **chefelf** » March 11th, 2004, 8:26 pm

Different ASPI drivers?

Just my luck. This nForce chipset has caused me tons of problems with various things. Hindsight's 20/20 I guess.

chefelf · Post by **chefelf** » March 11th, 2004, 10:26 pm

Is this the kind of thing that I could expect a later Lite-On firmware or nForce2 driver to fix?

Post by **ccb056** » March 11th, 2004, 10:34 pm

its not a liteon problem, its a nforce problem, so newer or even older nforce drivers could fix it

try running without nforce drivers

chefelf · Post by **chefelf** » March 11th, 2004, 10:39 pm

No nForce drivers???

ccb056, you is talkin' loco and me likes it!

chefelf · Post by **chefelf** » March 12th, 2004, 4:13 am

Okay, so I gave that a shot and it made a bunch of other stuff not work that was also controlled by the drivers (ethernet, PCI adapters, etc.).

I DID get it to work, however. Here's what I did.

I reinstalled the nForce2 drivers and then in "device manager" I rolled back the IDE drivers to the MS drivers rather than using the nForce drivers. Now it works perfectly with Nero.

Thanks to everyone who helped. I hope that that little tidbit will help out those of you that are having nForce2/Lite-On compatibility problems.

Cheers!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » March 14th, 2004, 3:21 pm

Hi folks

I have been having a similar problem with Nforce and my 411S(X). Nero won't verify and I get dvd playback that stops every now and then. Can't install Tron 2.0 etc. etc.

Been tryin glots of stuff....but now today and I am looking at some older Nforce drivers and saw the above post about trying the MS. Just hoping that this will work for me as this is a USB 2.0 device. I think I'm on the right track though and will post back.

DC

chefelf · Post by **chefelf** » March 14th, 2004, 8:58 pm

Try uninstalling the nForce drivers just for the IDE. Worked wonders for me.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » March 14th, 2004, 9:02 pm

I like to hear the "WONDERS" !!!!

OMG, it is always something isn't it.....this is must 2nd rig in 3 years and first foray into Nforce territory....I'll uninstall the IDE and see what happens.

On some forum called Envy, Morpheus posted some Nvidia driver packs, hand selected for various aspects of performance in case anyone wants to check it out. He recommends the 2.7 ide driver if your going Nvidia. I may try that one first before the MS out of curiousity.

So glad I found this thread, I was getting overwhelmed.

DC

chefelf · Post by **chefelf** » March 14th, 2004, 9:09 pm

I know. It took me days of searching and trying things out to fix the problem I was having. That damn nForce chipset does more harm than good. I've had a lot of conflicts with it.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » March 15th, 2004, 11:36 pm

I would like to point out a few points regarding you guide if you don't mind.

ccb056 wrote:Fourth, goto adaptec's site <a href="http://www.adaptec.com">www.adaptec.com</a> and download the latest ASPI drivers for you windows operating sytem.

You do NOT need ASPI unless you have an application that needs it.
Also, ASPI version 4.60 has been reported to me much more stable and error free then the newest version.

To determine if you already have an ASPI layer and that it is working you can check you ASPI layer with aspichk.
The layer should look something like this if it's working right:

If something doesn't look like the above, fix (force) your ASPI layer to 4.60 with this. Make a backup copy first incase you want to go back.

Fifth, goto Liteon's website <a href="http://www.liteonit.com">www.liteonit.com</a> and update to the latest firmware

Be aware that the newest firmware is not always the greatest. For DVD-R/RW writing I would recommend FS0F on the 411S and either HS0E or HS0P for the 811S. For +R generally the newest firmware is alright, although I have heard HS0K is still better then HS0P for +R.

Sixth, use quality media, either Rioch, Ritek, or world renound Taiyo Yuden

My personal recomendations for media on these drives are:
TY, MCC, Maxell, Ritek/Ricoh and CMC (in that order).
Note that Ritek/Ricoh and CMC can vary in quality from batch to batch more then the first three. There is NO media better then TY.

Make sure you are using the latest version of your IDE Chipset drivers, Nvidia's NForce2 chipset drivers have been known to cause problems in the past. NOTE: If you are running the NForce 2 chipset, it is recommended that you remove the NVidia IDE drivers and run the Microsoft ones

I agree with this. I would also like to note that VIA chipset's have caused problems before as well.
Also if you have Intel Application Accelerator or VIA Miniport drivers installed on your system you can try un-insalling them as they have been reported to cause problems.

--------------------
Nice guide, I'm sure it's helped allot of people

Guest · Post by **Guest** » March 16th, 2004, 2:56 am

Thanks for the tips....how does Power DVD and other players interact with the drive, simply with the drivers/software itself.

I find it interesting I can burn a disc that is watchable on a standalone but no my computer and the drive that burned it. I guess this could be media related and bitsetting etc.

DC

Post by **ccb056** » March 16th, 2004, 3:29 am

wait, you say you can play a dvd you burn in your standalone but not in your computer? is that true for all dvds or just ones youve burned? what software are you using to watch the movie and do you have a decrypter (a decrypter is needed to watch dvd videos on computers)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » March 16th, 2004, 2:47 pm

I have alsways been able to watch DVD 's fine on my computer using Power DVD. Now, I see some artifacts on pro DVD's and the one I burned makes the drive stutter. But, yes, the burned cd plays PERFECT on the the standalone.

DC

chefelf · Post by **chefelf** » March 16th, 2004, 3:10 pm

Are you sure that that brand and type of DVD is compatible with your standalone DVD player?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » March 16th, 2004, 4:05 pm

Umm...I don;t know. The burned DVD plays fine in the standalone but not in the drive that burned it.

chefelf · Post by **chefelf** » March 16th, 2004, 4:42 pm

I see. That is an odd problem. It's a Lite-On? Did you try the things mentioned in this thread?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » March 16th, 2004, 4:49 pm

I am planning in really get into this tonight and tomorrow at work (all night). Just have some crazy audio issues with my amp and mixer that is getting me bug eyed right now.

I have a whole list of stuff to try. I have a feeling my Kprobe scan will show a good burn. Maybe I will revert to another firmware and try that. I need to read more about bitsetting too.

A different DVD playback device like windvd might work better.

we'll see

JC

iawalkes · Post by **iawalkes** » March 16th, 2004, 10:35 pm

WHat if I do not have an 80 pin IDE cable or anywhere to plug it in? Does an 80 pin connector fit where a 40 was with twice the wires?

I've done all your fixes except this ... is this necessary?

ccb056 wrote:This is a guide to help you fix your Liteon LDW-411s problems.

First of all, make sure your LDW-411s is plugged into an 80pin IDE cable, not a 40pin IDE cable. Onle way to tell the difference is the 80 pin has more/thinner wires than a 40 pin.

Second, make sure the LDW-411s isnt plugged into a PDI IDE controller, but rather the motherboard controller.

Third, make sure the LDW-411s is set as Master of the Secondary channel. Beware, the LDW-411s comes from the factory with a default of Slave, not Master. To change this, move the jumper on the back of the drive

Master is on the end of the IDE Channel and Slave is in the middle

Fourth, goto adaptec's site <a href="http://www.adaptec.com">www.adaptec.com</a> and download the latest ASPI drivers for you windows operating sytem if they cause problems, downlo .60.

Fifth, goto Liteon's website <a href="http://www.liteonit.com">www.liteonit.com</a> and update to the latest firmware

Sixth, use quality media, either Rioch, Ritek, or world renound Taiyo Yuden

Always make sure you have DMA enabled and not using PIO.

If you are using your LDW-411s to make backup copies of you DVD movies, make sure you burn media that is compatable with your stand alone unit

Make sure you are using the latest version of your IDE Chipset drivers, Nvidia's NForce2 chipset drivers have been known to cause problems in the past. NOTE: If you are running the NForce 2 chipset, it is recommended that you remove the NVidia IDE drivers and run the Microsoft ones

UPDATE: Nero is reported to have problems burning DVDs with the Liteon LDW-411s, It is recomended that you burn the DVD's with another program

Finally, if you have any problems or if you found this useful, please take a minute to <a href="http://short-circuit.zapto.org/profile.php?mode=register">Register</a>

Post by **ccb056** » March 16th, 2004, 10:58 pm

The 80 pin is not necessary, but it is recomended. The 40 pin and 80 pin cables plug into the same thing, however the difference lies in the number of wires each cable has. One has 80 wires, and the other one has 40, the 80 wire cable is ables to send/receive data more reliably.

FlyCat · Post by **FlyCat** » March 25th, 2004, 3:09 am

Doctorcilantro wrote:Umm...I don;t know. The burned DVD plays fine in the standalone but not in the drive that burned it.

This is exactly the problem I'm having! 98% of the dvd's I've burned with my 411S are able to play fine on either of my standalones and in my other computer, but the 411S isn't able to play a large percentage of them. I find it extremely odd that the drive will burn the disk fine, but won't play it back!!!

I noticed that when I have an unplayable disk in the drive Kprobe as well as ISO Buster report the disk as not being closed. If this is really the case, why do the disks play fine elsewhere?

Post by **ccb056** » March 25th, 2004, 11:56 am

Could You give us some system specs?

FlyCat · Post by **FlyCat** » March 26th, 2004, 12:30 am

P4 w/1 gig RAM running XP Pro
2 Hard disks on Prim IDE
2 Optical drives on Sec IDE
Liteon 411S is Master
48X CDRW is Slave (both cable select)
Burning programs,
Nero 5.5.10.54 (InCD not running)
DVD Decrypter
Sonic MyDVD (came with drive)

One thing worth mentioning is the fact that I've had nothing but probs with DVD RW media, including the RW media that shipped with the drive. I bought a 5 pack of Fuji +RW and managed to salvage 3 of the disks...and the only way I can successfully write to these disks is if I burn an ISO image using Sonic. I know it sounds silly, but for some reason the other 2 RWs were trashed when I tried buring the same image file using both Nero and DVD Decrypter. The drive won't recognize the media.

I put up with the drive simply because it still works when it comes to writing dvds. Nearly every dvdr will play in both my set top dvd players as well as my other computer.

Go figure

Post by **ccb056** » March 26th, 2004, 12:42 am

hmmm, maybe you should try burning with a differnt program, I know some versions of nero have problems with liteon dvd burners

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