The Existence of God

Smartweb · Post by **Smartweb** » March 25th, 2004, 12:53 am

I'm Aggressor Prime and I control ccb056. hahahahaha

Tebow2000 · Post by **Tebow2000** » March 25th, 2004, 1:54 am

I also agree with that theroy

Smartweb · Post by **Smartweb** » March 25th, 2004, 1:56 am

Wouldn't it be great if I am looked at in History as the philosopher who proved the existence of God.

Tebow2000 · Post by **Tebow2000** » March 25th, 2004, 1:59 am

You and 1 billion other people

Smartweb · Post by **Smartweb** » March 25th, 2004, 2:02 am

Who else did?

Tebow2000 · Post by **Tebow2000** » March 25th, 2004, 2:06 am

you think your the only person that has a theroy

Smartweb · Post by **Smartweb** » March 25th, 2004, 2:11 am

I dont' know.

Aggressor Prime · Post by **Aggressor Prime** » March 25th, 2004, 2:18 am

But what if you have always existed like God.
And remember, you only see what you want to see.
So the world around you, you created in your mind.

Smartweb · Post by **Smartweb** » March 25th, 2004, 2:20 am

I'm not talking about what you see. I'm saying that you know what you think because you are a thinking being.

Aggressor Prime · Post by **Aggressor Prime** » March 25th, 2004, 3:00 am

But it is not possible to prove there is God.

Smartweb · Post by **Smartweb** » March 25th, 2004, 3:03 am

I just did.

Tebow2000 · Post by **Tebow2000** » March 25th, 2004, 3:06 am

that is just a theory... but that is a theory I agree with... But Aggres. is right, there is no possible way to prove there is god, except the bible. That is what we base our religion on, except Judism.

Smartweb · Post by **Smartweb** » March 25th, 2004, 3:09 am

What is wrong with my proof. If you can't find a fallacy then it is right.

Smartweb · Post by **Smartweb** » March 25th, 2004, 3:17 am

I dare anyone. Try to prove it wrong.

Tebow2000 · Post by **Tebow2000** » March 25th, 2004, 3:18 am

I guess it aggressors turn, because I have nothing against that

Aggressor Prime · Post by **Aggressor Prime** » March 25th, 2004, 12:04 pm

I did not create everything around me and there is definetely something around me even if it is fake.

You only see what you think.

I know I didn't create what's around me because I am a thinking being and know what I am thinking and did not think up the stuff that happens.

The mind works in a dual: presenter and judge. Just as we can't control our breathing, we can't control what happens, but it is still created somewhere in our complex mind.

Since I didn't and humans cannot create a universe, something must have created it besides me. We will call that something else God.

You could have always existed.

Smartweb · Post by **Smartweb** » March 25th, 2004, 9:45 pm

If you say that I always existed, you say that I am a god.

Considering how dumb you are, how would you know how the human mind works?

Aggressor Prime · Post by **Aggressor Prime** » March 26th, 2004, 12:11 am

Because I am who I am.
You are a figment of my imagination.
And a Creator is always better than His creation.

Smartweb · Post by **Smartweb** » March 26th, 2004, 12:13 am

Aggressor Prime wrote:Because I am who I am.
You are a figment of my imagination.
And a Creator is always better than His creation.

Now you're saying that you are God and that you are better than everyone else.

Aggressor Prime · Post by **Aggressor Prime** » March 26th, 2004, 3:11 am

No, I am saying that I could be God.

Smartweb · Post by **Smartweb** » March 26th, 2004, 3:34 am

But if you are God, even though you aren't, then there is a God, isnt' there.

Michael · Post by **Michael** » April 8th, 2004, 3:13 am

Smartweb wrote:I, very proud of myself, believe I finally have a proof of the existence of God that cannot be contested because it just makes sense:

Since I exist and I think, I know what I am thinking. I did not create everything around me and there is definetely something around me even if it is fake. I know I didn't create what's around me because I am a thinking being and know what I am thinking and did not think up the stuff that happens. Since I didn't and humans cannot create a universe, something must have created it besides me. We will call that something else God.

Greater minds than yours have been unable to prove, or disprove, the existence of God. Have you ever read Aquinas's "proof"? It was the definitive "proof" for hundreds of years, until the church disavowed it. No matter though...Aquinas went on to become a saint!

The thing you need to remember is, if you are a believer, then you don't need proof. If you are not a believer...why would you even try to prove that something you don't believe in doesn't exists.

The "Existence of God" argument is what is known as a circular argument. It can't be proven, or disproven. Have you ever taken any college level philosophy classes?

Matrix · Post by **Matrix** » April 11th, 2004, 3:01 pm

Very interesting theory!

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Suvorov · Post by **Suvorov** » June 19th, 2004, 12:31 am

The existence of god cannot be proven or disproven by some foolish qualitative statement about self-awareness. The 'self' you are referring to is a biological organism, it's function is to reason the world around it in such a way to create the best environment for itself. Like a river in a creekbed, the self will always move towards the easiest, most comfortable path, all without any greater knowledge or perspective. The purpose of beliefs, beliefs about god or money or whatever, are simply avenues through which people can group together. Like I said, mankind is always looking for the path of least resistance, which, in the game of life, is most often in groups of similar minded people. Religion, patriotism, values, morals: all of these things are different everywhere in the world, yet people still cling to them as a 'biological truth'. Does anyone here believe, as the Catholic Church does, that gays are inferior to straight people? Does anyone here believe, as Islamic Wahhibism does, that women are inferior to men? These things are simply rhetoric (not used in the political form) by which people group. It is my belief that the notion of God, in the eyes of man, is a leader for them to follow. It is also my belief that the ardent followings that these notions create are what leads mankind to conflict with eachother, despite the fact that we are all, more or less, the same creatures. I do not believe in 'God', nor do I believe in 'America' - I believe in the common values that we all share as humans, nay, as living beings, and not in the archaic groups that have lead man to the terrible conflicts of the past.

So, what does this have to do with the existence of God? Everything. If God, as a set of beliefs in the form of religion, is simply a creation of man, than what is the point of his existence at all? People blindly follow the dictates of men as the word of God, wasting their time praying to false idols when the truth of God, the reality of God, is all around them. So before you go ahead and blindly accept any vision of higher power - look inside yourself. Contemplate God not as a king but as an element of creation, your truth will emerge.

The_Man · Post by **The_Man** » July 15th, 2004, 2:33 pm

I guess you could view God solely on just the element of creation, but then you would ask as to why he created you. Then back when man kind was still young (early civilizations) there is created the OT (Old Testement) of the christian bible. Nice book with lots of hidden meanings of God that took years to understand, then a hundreds of years later comes Jesus with the NT(New Testement)(Jesus did not instruct the Gospels or any other book to be written about him) written about him and his followers. With the NT there are a whole bunch of hidden meanings too. It also reveals meanings hidden in the OT, so viewing God as just an element of creation isn't good enough(in my opinion). Plus the OT and NT both put God as our father or leader and we should follow him.

Smartweb · Post by **Smartweb** » July 15th, 2004, 3:31 pm

Anyone that wants to see hidden meanings of God can read the Silmarilion. Great book.

Aggressor Prime · Post by **Aggressor Prime** » July 20th, 2004, 4:45 pm

If God can be proven, why do some of the smartest people in the world find it immpossible to prove him? The reason that you can't prove God's existance is so that you can believe in him. When God asks us to believe in him, he is not asking to see if we are crazy. (Do you know that I exist. It is built into your brain.) He is asking us to love him, to trust him. That is why belief is so powerful. Knowledge has little power on earth. That is why knowledge is limited to one thing right now: my own existance. Knowledge in yourself keeps us in the person we are. If we know something else, we would be one with something else. We are only one with ourselves when we are on earth. We believe that once we reach heaven, we are one with God. Not that we are God, but that we know him fully. He shows himself fully to us in a great wave of unlimited love. Knowledge is a gift that is saved for the end of the feast.

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