Which Handheld Gaming System Destroys The Rest?

Aggressor Prime · Post by **Aggressor Prime** » November 11th, 2004, 2:27 am

There are 3:
Nintendo's Nintendo DS
Sony's PSP
Tiger Telematics's Gizmondo

I have to go with the Gizmando considering it has nVidia's GoForce 3D 4500 and is supported by Microsoft, thus allowing it to run Microsoft's games: MechAssault, Halo, Halo 2, etc.

Tebow2000 · Post by **Tebow2000** » November 11th, 2004, 3:25 am

Nintendo DS baby!!!

The_Man · Post by **The_Man** » November 13th, 2004, 9:50 pm

Aggressor DS will win the power race because not only does teh DS have an Arm 9 processor, but it also has an Arm 7 processor.

Dual Screen is a concept in gaming that came out within teh last year, and will prbably take off within the next five years when people can begin to afford two monitors and vidoe cards that have two monitor outputs. So DS is the first in this new experience in gaming.

DS may not have as many features as Gizmundo, but a handheld gaming system doesn't need MP3 player or Movie player plus no one will spend more tehn 200 usd on a gaming system anyway. DS will start out about 150 usd wehre as Gizmundo is at 420 usd

Also for multiplayer games DS only needs one gamepack, I don't know to much about PSP or Gizmundo on that topic, but i think everyone needs to have dled teh software or have the game pack.

Halo 2 won't be ported to Gizmundo for a while.

For GPU Gizmundo may be better then DS, but again who is going to pay 420 usd for a portable gaming system, for me i wait at least till it cost 100 usd.

PSP is just a playstation 2 7000 (without the dvd or cd rom support) with wireless internet.

The_Man · Post by **The_Man** » November 13th, 2004, 9:52 pm

About the two screen gaming, i read an article in PC world and it said who tow screens will add so much more to games. and will be the gaming future when people begin to have multimonitor systems.

Aggressor Prime · November 13th, 2004, 11:33 pm

If the DS cannot master one screen to the Gizmando, two screens will only hurt it more.

You can't rely on an unknown GPU to produce excellent results for two screens.

Once the GoForce 3D 4500 enters into normal Pocket PCs along with Intel's 624MHz CPU, then you will see.

The_Man · Post by **The_Man** » November 14th, 2004, 4:39 am

Aggressor Nintedo has mastered one screen for over 15 years, two screens is the next thing in gaming to come. processor wise DS is just as good plus its not one processor for two screens, have you not read any specs, for the top screen its an Arm 9, for the bottom one its an Arm7. your the master of specs i thought you would see it.

Aggressor Prime · Post by **Aggressor Prime** » November 14th, 2004, 3:47 pm

I didn't say there is one CPU. I said there is one GPU. Also, yeah Nintendo masters one screen, but not to Gizmondo. Thus, two screens will be twice as bad.

Example - Which looks better?:

OR

Tebow2000 · Post by **Tebow2000** » November 14th, 2004, 5:07 pm

Which one is affordable? Gizmondo is like 500$+ dollars

Aggressor Prime · Post by **Aggressor Prime** » November 14th, 2004, 5:35 pm

$419.12 to be exact in US Dollars.
$150 for the Nintendo DS.
Thus, the performance on the Gizmando must be 2.8x better to be a better deal. Those graphics look a lot better than 2.8x better.

This is Nintendo 64 graphics compared to Xbox graphics, there is a clear winner.

The_Man · Post by **The_Man** » November 15th, 2004, 12:52 am

You find me DS's GPU, and show me the stats showing how much better Gizmundo is, Aggressor. I'm searching the internet and Nintendo on their site doesn't even show us the kind of GPU it has.

The_Man · Post by **The_Man** » November 15th, 2004, 12:54 am

Reading articles, I know for a fact now the DS will not outperform Gizmundo on graphics, but does beuty make a game good?

Aggressor Prime · November 15th, 2004, 12:55 am

Even without the GPU's type considered, look at those pictures. There is a huge difference.

Nintendo DS Specs.
An ARM 7 and ARM 9 processor, with the ARM 7 running at 33MHz (the Game Boy Advance ARM 7 runs at 16.8MHz) and the ARM 9 running at 67MHz. 4Mb of system RAM, as well as 32K of processor RAM for both ARM 7 and ARM 9, and 656K of VRAM. The ARM 7 processor should ensure compatibility with GBA software. The screens will have higher resolution than the GBA, with 256x192 pixels compared to the GBA's 240x160 resolution. Reportedly one of the screens may be touch sensitive. 802.11 wireless LAN connectivity is also included.

The Nintendo DS has a 3D GPU (a little more powerful than the Nintendo 64 console), with the ability to push as many as 120,000 polygons a second. 2D abilities are a little stronger thank the Game Boy Advance, with four scrolling backgrounds and 128 on-screen objects possible at any one time.

The_Man · Post by **The_Man** » November 15th, 2004, 1:17 am

The company's leaders say that the industry is running into a dead end by only offering consumers better looking games without any real innovation in the paradigm of the gaming machine.

[/url]http://stuffo.howstuffworks.com/nintendo-ds5.htm[url]

Ok Gizmundo wins(power wise), but here is a nice explination as to what Nintendo is hoping.

Like I said Nintendo has mastered one screen for 15 years, 9 different handhelds tried to challenge nintendo and failed misserable.

Nintendo is creating something new, they've been doing it for years, they are setting a new standard now like they've done before. Although Grand Tourismo 4 on PSP will be nice, racing games always are better with better graphics.[/url]

Aggressor Prime · Post by **Aggressor Prime** » November 15th, 2004, 1:21 am

But Nintendo never won against Microsoft.
The Xbox creamed all.
Just look at the Halo 2 sales.
If the Xbox can win against the normal gaming systems, the Gizmando can win against the handheld ones.

People want graphics.
People would rather play Doom3 or Half Life 2 on a handheld than play Super Mario with dual screens.

1.25M Polygons VS 120K Polygons
400MHz (Single CPU) VS 100MHz (Split CPU)

There are huge differences and the price gap doesn't cut it for Nintendo.

The_Man · Post by **The_Man** » November 15th, 2004, 1:22 am

Oh looking at stats, DS will be superior in multiplayer, 802.11, nintendo is hiding something, possible internet connectivity, possible something better.

And those specs are just rumor if you read the font 72 type above that section.

Aggressor Prime · Post by **Aggressor Prime** » November 15th, 2004, 1:25 am

I got my sources from Japan.

The_Man · Post by **The_Man** » November 15th, 2004, 1:25 am

XBox didn't cost 500usd including tax

The only reason you would buy Halo or Doom 3 is for multiplayer purposes, the chances are you've already beaten teh games on PC many times before you get it for Gizmundo and Gizmundo only has Bluetooth wireless connectivity, where as DS has 802.11

The_Man · Post by **The_Man** » November 15th, 2004, 1:27 am

Your Japan sources are a carbon copy of what's said on howstuffworks genuis, and they say its a leaked rumor, nintendo hasn't released its specs yet so whatever you find will be rumor until the middle of teh week.

The_Man · Post by **The_Man** » November 15th, 2004, 1:28 am

Rumor Has It...
The leaked document explains that the Arm 9 processor runs at 67 MHz, while the Arm 7 processor runs at 33 MHz. It also says that retail DS models will have 4 MB of RAM with additional chunks of cache, shared RAM for the processors and 656 KB of video RAM. As for graphics, the document specifies that the DS is capable of drawing 120,000 polygons per second, representing a fill-rate of 30 million pixels per second. In addition, the two screens are both specified as 256x192-resolution panels.

http://stuffo.howstuffworks.com/nintendo-ds4.htm

Aggressor Prime · Post by **Aggressor Prime** » November 15th, 2004, 1:28 am

First, Bluetooth is only for close gaming (holding the units next to each other). It uses GPRS technology to play on the "internet."

Second, at what speed is the Nintendo DS's 802.11 connection?

The_Man · Post by **The_Man** » November 15th, 2004, 1:32 am

Not even nintendo will tell that

Aggressor Prime · Post by **Aggressor Prime** » November 15th, 2004, 1:34 am

1800MHz is the speed of GPRS Class 10.

The_Man · Post by **The_Man** » November 15th, 2004, 1:38 am

The GPRS is needed for Gizmundo because so few people will have, that you will need worldwide connectivity.

Anyway, we won't know what Nintendo plans to do with its wireless features fully until it is out, i think it comes out in two days.

Aggressor Prime · Post by **Aggressor Prime** » November 15th, 2004, 1:40 am

No, you want a worldwide connection so you can have huge games with multiple different types of people. It is a universal handheld gaming system.

The_Man · Post by **The_Man** » November 15th, 2004, 1:47 am

1800Mhz isn't the speed its the frequency, another 200Mhz and you will get phone interference.

Aggressor Prime · Post by **Aggressor Prime** » November 15th, 2004, 1:55 am

I was looking at a wrong source.
Here are the "official" specs. on GRPS Class 10:
One Up, Four Down
8-12Kbps Send - 32-48Kbps Receive
Or Two Up, Three Down
16-24Kbps Send - 24-36Kbps Receive

Nolano · Post by **Nolano** » November 24th, 2004, 11:57 pm

I say DS cuz there is no way in hell I am going to spend 400+ for a device that has pretty graphics. Those graphics on not 2.8times better, either. maybe %50 better. lIts going to be hard rationalizing $150, much less 400.

Aggressor Prime · November 25th, 2004, 12:17 am

You have to also consider that the Gizmando is camera, a music player, a movie player, a messaging unit, and a GPS unit.

Nolano · Post by **Nolano** » November 25th, 2004, 10:25 pm

Aggressor Prime wrote:I didn't say there is one CPU. I said there is one GPU. Also, yeah Nintendo masters one screen, but not to Gizmondo. Thus, two screens will be twice as bad.

Example - Which looks better?:

OR

Example 2: Which looks better

Nintendo DS: $150
Gizmondo: 420

hmmmm...

Also, I never use any of those things you listed, AP. Maybe I'd use the camera, but that wouyldnt rationalize 2.8x the price. A ds is also a messaging unit. its called pictochat, and it comes free with every DS.

Aggressor Prime · November 25th, 2004, 10:30 pm

Well, you may be a mid-power gamer; but I'm for the best, the very best.

That is why I am an Athlon 64 FX-55 fan.
That is why I am a dual GeForce 6800 Ultra (SLI) fan.

The_Man · Post by **The_Man** » November 26th, 2004, 1:47 am

I recently played a DS, the on in EB games and at other Displays, and of course it had Metroid Prime hunters. Interesting game play, it will take a little bit of time to get used to, but the game moved around as if you had a mouse. It is a bit odd to use the stylus i think Nintendo had a thumb strap, but i just used my thumb. Your thumb was the mouse. pretty sweet when you do get used to it.

There also is this game called Feel the Magic and you have to play it completely on touch, that is where "Feel" is emphasized. The reviews say it is great.

Nolano · Post by **Nolano** » November 26th, 2004, 2:57 pm

I am NOT a mid power gamer, and I am an SLI and FX-55 fan. I just dont think that performance like that of an FX55 and SLI 6800 ultra's is worth the thousands of dollars you will spend on it. And I can barely afford the DS. A $400 dollar handheld is completely out 0f the question, and not worth the price.

Aggressor Prime · Post by **Aggressor Prime** » December 3rd, 2004, 1:53 am

I'm sorry for what I said.
I got too much over my head.
Yes, the Nintendo DS has the best price/performance ratio.
But I think you will find Pocket PCs utilizing nVidia's GoForce will reach Doom 3 quicker (considering that Doom 3, The Resurrection of Evil comes to XBOX early next year).

Nolano · Post by **Nolano** » December 4th, 2004, 6:44 pm

thanks.

. doom 3 isnt a vry good game, and I am not really dying to have it on a pocket PC. But, I am also a die-hard nintendo fan, so, eh.

Custom_Build · Post by **Custom_Build** » January 2nd, 2005, 3:13 am

Aggressor Prime wrote:There are 3:
Nintendo's Nintendo DS
Sony's PSP
Tiger Telematics's Gizmondo

I have to go with the Gizmando considering it has nVidia's GoForce 3D 4500 and is supported by Microsoft, thus allowing it to run Microsoft's games: MechAssault, Halo, Halo 2, etc.

I didn't even know Gizmando existed til just now. I just recently purchased the Nintendo DS, but gladly would swap it for Gizmando. The GPU capabilities are far greater than the DS. The pricing is actually quite good considering the fact that its mobile and capable of x-box quality images. I can't wait to see what future productions bring.

RMskater · Post by **RMskater** » January 2nd, 2005, 3:44 am

The PSP and DS are being marketed to different markets. I haven't heard of the Gizmando, though.

The DS is being marketed to teens and grown-ups who want to play games.

The PSP is being marketed more like a PDA that can also play games. So in my opinion, it's more what you want to be able to do, and less "which is more powerful".

ThManDan22 · Post by **ThManDan22** » January 9th, 2005, 8:21 am

Not every one wants a console experiance in a hand helt. Not only for the extra money it adds on to the product (2-3X). How many people honestly will spend that much money on a little handheld? To me paying 500 dollars is a waste on a handhelt device. I guess some people have the extra money, and time to play those handheld's, but certainly not me, especially for 500 bucks, or even 150.

The_Man · Post by **The_Man** » January 10th, 2005, 1:30 am

150 is a bit much for a handheld, i'm goign to wait for the price to drop to 100usd on DS before i buy it

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